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   01-02-2006, 8:28 PM
Simplicio is not online. Last active: 1/6/2006 7:12:24 PM Simplicio

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New music notations always fail
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I can't believe that these guys are seriously proposing a new system of music notation.  HUNDREDS of these have been proposed over the years, and they always fail.
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   01-02-2006, 11:36 PM
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 Simplicio wrote:
I can't believe that these guys are seriously proposing a new system of music notation.  HUNDREDS of these have been proposed over the years, and they always fail.

Guitar tab can hardly be called a failure, and it's a "new" notation.  (Actually, its a very old lute notation, but it had fallen almost completely out of use for centuries.)


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   01-06-2006, 11:38 AM
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Honestly Simplicio - this is not the attitude. It's not as if you're being aked to learn it. Deal with it. What exactly is a failure anyway? You point of view is drastically flawed, in that it is meaningless.
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   01-18-2006, 11:22 PM
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Simplicio --

Your are entirely correct that hundreds of "reforms" of traditional music notation have been proposed over the years, and have failed to make a significant commercial or artistic impact.

But ThumLine(tm) notation (and the ThumMusic(tm) PLUS System in general) is not a "reform" of traditional notation; that is, it is not intended to be used by players of traditional instruments.  It is intended only for use by jammer-players, the way guitar tab is used by guitarists.  Guitar tab could be considered a "failure" for not having "reformed" traditional notation, but it was never intended to do so.  It was only intended to make learning and playing the guitar easier, and it has been a clear success at meeting this objective.

To succeed, previous music notation proposals faced a "chicken or egg" dilemma: why should a publisher print music in a notation that few people know? -- and, why should anyone learn a notation in which few pieces have been published?

Because modern computer-based music notation programs can be updated with plug-ins to display music in ANY notation, learning ThumLine staff notation (rather than traditional staff notation) can still give you access to all of the music in the world.  Just install the ThumLine plug-in (which we haven't written yet!), and any music that you could display in traditional notation or guitar tab can then be displayed in ThumLine, too.

When leanring music on a jammer or QWERTY keyboard, using ThumLine staff notation -- as part of the ThumMusic PLUS System -- makes music easier to teach, learn, and play, and delivers these benefits with essentially no incompatibility cost to the student or teacher.  No previous notation "reform" has ever offered such significant benefits at so little cost.

That's why I think that the ThumMusic PLUS System, including ThumLine notation, will eventually "succeed."

But...only time will tell.  We shall see.

Thanks!  :-)

 

Jim Plamondon

CEO, Thumtronics Ltd

The New Shape of Music(tm)


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   01-20-2006, 10:40 AM
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This one will work for me!
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I agree that this is the way of the future.
As a frustrated musician who after years of challenges learning all the keyboard fingerings and rules and exceptions I have all but given up. Music teachers have asked me if I have learning disabilities, and none that I know of, as a professional graphics designer I can do more trades in conceptual design, multitudes of animation software, 3-D construction, drawing and visual effects. So as a visual guy, I learn by recognizing patterns and sequences best. There are so many inconsistancies and confusing theories about it that I can hardly remember them. For whatever reason learning to read music and translate it to the keyboard has just been akward and confusing. For the first time in my life I feel there is hope for me with the Thummer. In my lifetime I will actually get to play music that I hear inside of me easily and creatively with the Thummer, probably in a couple of days! Where with the keyboard my skills are limited to repeating sequences and patterns that I am good at. Doing new scales and learning new fingerings is challenging for me.

So I am truly enthusuisastic about my future opportunities of creative expression and learning with this new instrument.

Thanks for making at least another option!
I mean how long can just one way of making sounds on an ancient keyboard layout last? As an evolving culture/species it is inevitable that we create new ways of making sounds and coming into closer harmony with the natural design and layout of notation and frequency. My only question is... Why has this taken soooo loooong to finally be realized?

All I can say is I am glad that it has, and I will be enthusiastically sharing with every other frustrated musician I know trapped inside of normal people that there is a new way to make music! A way that finally makes sense and is fun & easy!

Yahooo! Thanks guys!
Steven S.


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   01-25-2006, 6:21 AM
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There is a huge variety of music notation, i'm sure that this one will find it's niche.


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   11-11-2008, 5:44 AM
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Hey Tranquil Union,

you are a time waster to all of us!!!!

Leave this board now!!!


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   11-20-2008, 8:35 AM
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Re: New music notations always fail

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

 


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